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Post by Xpert2010 on Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:08 am

I got my new monitor yesterday and decided to give my computer a dusting before starting it up.  I'm guessing there might have been some sort of static charge that blew my power supply because that doesn't even want to turn on anymore.  I had been thinking of building a new computer, and this gave me a pretty good incentive to get started.  I'm thinking I'll be going the AMD route as Intel usually seems to be more expensive, and I don't want to be spending over $800 on a new computer.  I'll probably try to get my current broken computer up and running first, so I'll probably run to Best Buy and pick up a power supply to see if that fixes my computer.

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Re: RIP Computer

Post by Atrum on Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:20 am

You could probably build my current rig for under $800. Intel z77 mobo, 560ti video card, 8GB RAM (your favorite brand), 64GB SSD, 800W Antec PSU, Case of your choice (I'm running an Antec DF-85), i5 5700k for the CPU, and whatever else I forgot xD

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Re: RIP Computer

Post by Xpert2010 on Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:39 am

Looks like you left the most important bits in there, anything else seems like it would be optional.

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Re: RIP Computer

Post by Xpert2010 on Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:30 pm

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/380vE

What I've had in mind so far. I'm open to opinions if there is anything I should change.  I'm not the best when it comes to building new computers.

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Re: RIP Computer

Post by Atrum on Tue Mar 11, 2014 12:49 pm

I think the R7 cards draw a decent amount of power. I'd probably shoot for at least 750W on the PSU

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Re: RIP Computer

Post by S7 Panzer on Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:45 pm

Nah you don't need a 750W it doesn't even use 130 watts, and with your ~100W CPU its not even half the PSU. Unless if you feel like getting a second GPU I would go with an even smaller PSU then the one you listed Expert.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/radeon-r9-280x-r9-270x-r7-260x,3635-18.html

I would recommend going with 750 Ti it wont even use power outside the bus, so you could get a smaller power supply. Also Expert get a USB install of windows 7 ill send you my key it still has a few more uses, saving you $100.

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Re: RIP Computer

Post by S7 Panzer on Tue Mar 11, 2014 3:54 pm

Other things I have to ask is the reason for a 6 core processor, blu-ray burner, and fully modular power supply. Depending of if you just picked these items out of really want them you can lessen the cost by getting something like a 4 core, DVD reader, and possibly a semi-modular power supply ( but that PSU is a good deal ). Let me know I get excited about building computers so voice your opinion, no hard feelings here.

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Re: RIP Computer

Post by Xpert2010 on Tue Mar 11, 2014 9:08 pm

S7 Panzer wrote:Other things I have to ask is the reason for a 6 core processor, blu-ray burner, and fully modular power supply. Depending of if you just picked these items out of really want them you can lessen the cost by getting something like a 4 core, DVD reader, and possibly a semi-modular power supply ( but that PSU is a good deal ). Let me know I get excited about building computers so voice your opinion, no hard feelings here.
The quad core processor I was looking at actually costs more, and newegg tells me to check out the 'newer version', which points me to the 6 core.  I supposed I dont really need to get a blu-ray reader right off the bat.  It would definitely save me some cost if i just went with a dvd reader.  I have some blu-ray disks that I'd like to play on computer, but I could also put them into my Xbox One.  I'm going to have an updated listing shortly.

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Re: RIP Computer

Post by Xpert2010 on Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:08 pm

I'm pretty much undecided on the processor, video card, and the case. I like everything else.  I'll be switching to dvd instead of blu-ray.  Case should have usb 3.0.  Thinking of switching to hd 7000 series video card.

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Re: RIP Computer

Post by S7 Panzer on Tue Mar 11, 2014 10:50 pm

O I just noticed your case is nice but you have no reason to get a full tower. That tower has 9 slots a normal graphics card will take up 2 at the most, sometimes 1. Your motherboard of choice can only have up to two cards at max so I would recommend getting a smaller case, ill post up a build I did while at work.

EDIT: Sorry the image is small, you will have to view it in full screen. That price is without windows 7. Another thing to consider is getting Windows 8 if you are looking for a cheaper OS then right when you install it you get starisback or start8 and this will make windows 8 almost exactly like windows 7 with a start menu button at the bottom left and everything. The only thing you will be missing is shadow copy.


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Re: RIP Computer

Post by Xpert2010 on Tue Mar 11, 2014 11:18 pm

Yeah, that case was just a placeholder.  A friend of mine told me I should go full tower, so I just put that there.  I realized later that I wouldn't really have a need to use a full tower and wasn't worth paying over $125 for something like that.  I like the video card you posted.  I never thought about going the micro route though.  Interesting...

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Re: RIP Computer

Post by Xpert2010 on Wed Mar 12, 2014 2:42 pm

Intel Build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/38Bta
AMD Build: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/38Cex

Put together two more samples.  These have processors and video cards that are a little costlier that go a bit over my price range.  I could possibly be able to get a free copy of Windows 8 installed, so I didn't unclude an operating system. 

And here is a cheaper AMD build I put together:
http://pcpartpicker.com/p/38Eqw

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Re: RIP Computer

Post by S7 Panzer on Wed Mar 12, 2014 6:00 pm

Just be far warned with a 6 or 8 core processor those things suck up good chunk of juice. Nothing your PSU can't handle but the standard CPU cooler that comes with them usually is a sh1tty excuse for CPU cooling. You can get the same or better CPU cooler than what I have for $50 or less. I would also look at both of those videos below as they show benchmarks with recent games so you can get a feel for the different in performance. I was looking for the best price vs performance and have to say the 750Ti is still better as it is the only Nvidia 700 series with the new Maxwell chip set which draws a considerably smaller amount of power. That being said the 800 series will all be using Maxwell so buying something small now and upgrading later might be the best choice, personal choice.

Here is mine 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099

GTX 750Ti
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vpVEA6zBrcc

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Re: RIP Computer

Post by Xpert2010 on Wed Mar 12, 2014 7:31 pm

Very cool.  I think I'm leaning toward the 750ti now.  I'm thinking of the EVGA SC edition, although the FTW edition is only $10 more.  That would also help reduce the price from the 760 that I had chosen and I don't play many pc games like what are listed in the benchmark.  Usually when it comes to games like those, I play it on a console.  I'm sure that with what I usually play, I'll be able to play on my 1920x1080 monitor with zero problems.  But yeah, when it comes to technical terms with cpu's, gpu's, etc... I'm completely lost. lol. I base my builds on what other people have built or argued about in forum boards. 

I think I might be going toward the Intel build that I posted before because I been having trouble understanding AMD's processors.  Most games, from what I know, do not make use of all of those cores, so I kind of feel like it's wasteful for me.  Back when I built my first computer about 3 years ago, I was really confident in AMD's selection, but definitely not now.  Feel more confident in choosing Intel this time around, even if that requires more money to throw at them.  I also figured I'd need to get a CPU fan since stock ones usually suck.  I appreciate you helping me with this!  Thanks!  I think that the build is almost complete.

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Post by S7 Panzer on Wed Mar 12, 2014 8:25 pm

Cool let me know if you have any other questions I might be able to clarify.

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Re: RIP Computer

Post by Xpert2010 on Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:06 pm

http://pcpartpicker.com/p/38Rhr

I'm thinking this will be it, if not, very very close to the final build.  I'm open to opinions on any of the items listed.  I was actually checking out that CPU fan before you linked it to me, so that was pretty helpful for me to make a choice on that.

I also went out to buy a power supply at Best Buy yesterday in hopes that I could get my broken computer up and running again.  I put it in the machine, and it has power.  All the fans in the machine are running, so everything appears to have power going to it, but it has zero video.  I tried connecting to the video card and the motherboard and I got nothing on my monitor, and I know the monitor works.  Just something I'll worry about some other time.  Don't want to bother messing with it/buying more parts for it for awhile.

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Post by S7 Panzer on Wed Mar 12, 2014 9:43 pm

Just to clarify you tried the motherboards/CPU onboard graphics as well or just the GPU? Another thing to consider is getting an even smaller power supply because most if not all 750ti's can not run SLI ( multiple GPU configurations ). With your CPU using 84W and GPU using 60W, ~150W total you can see you have a good amount of power left. I'm not sure if you are sticker for cable management so I can see why you want that power supply. Also I would check the stats on the 12V rail for Amps. The card needs at least 20 amps if I'm not mistaken and your power supply covers that with no room to spare. I would look at Antec, CoolerMaster, and intec. These are some of the most reliable brands for power supplies.

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Post by S7 Panzer on Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:12 pm

If I could read then I would have noticed you tried the motherboard by bad.

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Re: RIP Computer

Post by Xpert2010 on Wed Mar 12, 2014 10:37 pm

lol np.  I never noticed the amps required...  This is an Antec power supply I was checking out.  It says +12V @ 48A which is what I'm assuming you're talking about.  xD.  And yes, I kinda like the cord management.  Since the video card doesnt have that 6pin connector...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371059&clickid=WYn0BmQeSzLTwgq1XgVRu36pUkTWAuVuNxE31U0&iradid=97618&ircid=2106&irpid=79301&nm_mc=AFC-IR&cm_mmc=AFC-IR-_-na-_-na-_-na

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Post by S7 Panzer on Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:06 pm

Yeah that is correct. Also under Newegg you can see under the GPUs specs it will have a systems requirements that gives you amp and possible pin requirements. 

I was also able to find a power supply that $10 cheaper then the one you gave and it matches your color scheme. Its from SilverStone which is a newer company but is known for being more expensive but having a higher quality. 

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256065

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Re: RIP Computer

Post by S7 Panzer on Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:12 pm

O another thing about your original EVGA power supply that I overlooked is it has 
+12V1@20A, +12V2@20A, +12V3@20A, +12V4@20A 
If you do ever upgrade and say a card needs 60A ( more then any card really uses ) then you would need to make sure 3 out of the 4 12V rails are connected to that specific card. That card in case would probably have either 3, 4 pin connectors, or 2, 4 pin and 1, 6 pin connector. This is to make sure one or more of the rails isn't being over saturated. The 12V rails are marked as red.


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Re: RIP Computer

Post by Xpert2010 on Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:26 pm

I may just go with that Silverstone one.  It looks like it has some pretty favorable reviews on newegg as well.  When you talk about color scheme, it makes me wonder about my memory. lol. Those big red bars! I might switch back to the Kingston HyperX Blu memory. xD

Edit... or pick the blue ripjaws...

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Post by Xpert2010 on Wed Mar 12, 2014 11:51 pm

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Re: RIP Computer

Post by Atrum on Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:10 am

Anyone have experience with silverstone PSUs? I find certain brands have a lot more issues than others (IE why I never buy coolmaster PSUs these days). I always go with Antec and never have any problems. Just my thoughts.

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Re: RIP Computer

Post by Xpert2010 on Thu Mar 13, 2014 10:58 am

Does the fact that the Silverstone power supply has no power switch on the back of it harm it at all?

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